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Autistics Thriving Through Crises

January 25th, 2026

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Welcome to Today’s Autistic Moment: A Podcast for Autistic Adults by An Autistic Adult. My name is Philip King-Lowe. I am the owner, producer and host and I am an Autistic Adult. Thank you so very much for listening.

Have you found yourself having a crisis due to a social interaction or a sensory problem, and someone told you that it was not a crisis? A crisis for an Autistic person requires understanding different communication patterns, having resources, support and using the restorative processes with the time and space to address conflicts. Zoë Korengold (they/them) is an educator and advocate servicing the Lionsgate Academy where they work as a visual artist who interacts with Autistic students working through crises.

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Segment 2

Philip King-Lowe 

Zoë Korengold, Welcome to Today's Autistic Moment. I am so grateful that you have taken time from your schedule to meet and talk about this very important topic. So welcome. Welcome, Zoë.

Zoë Korengold

Thanks for having me.

Philip King-Lowe

You're welcome. You're welcome. Zoë, I heard your conversation, your topic presentation at the Autistic Community summit in last November, and you were talking about Autistics and addressing Autistics in crisis. And I was so like, wow, this is such a great topic, and so very important for us because of the fact that Autistics experience crises a little differently, and they come in for different reasons. And I feel that as we're talking about Autistics thriving, not just surviving, that this would be a great topic to discuss and bring to our audience. So Zoë, what important information can we give to introduce our audience to the topic of Autistic thriving in crises?

Zoë Korengold 

The first thing that I think about is that I think a lot of people need to know that Autism and emotional distress and trauma exist together in this world, um, because our foundations and our structures are not made for us. So I would say that most people who are on the spectrum do have a some kind of experience of crisis, some kind of experience of trauma, and that's kind of a part of our experience in a world that's not socially made for us, that's not sensory wise, made for us, that doesn't accommodate us, and just different ways that Autistic people experience trauma can be different from allistics or other neurotypical people.

Philip King-Lowe 

So can you give some examples as to what types of crises Autistics might experience?

Zoë Korengold 

For me personally, sometimes it's an iceberg type of thing. Yeah, so, you know, it can be a crisis when I experience something that sensory wise, hits me in a way that is painful that I don't like, after a hard day, or after a day that I need a lot of executive functioning for, it can appear as something very simple, such as stepping in cold water when you have a sock on, not a good time. Yeah, other crises that Autistic people experience. You know, I work with teenagers, and it's a very hard time socially, and there's a lot going on with their bodies. There's a lot going on in our world as well, and they feel all of that, and they have crises about, you know, social situations, about other kids, and not understanding why they do what they do, the decisions that other people make, not feeling in control and just wanting a little bit of a control in a world that doesn't give them any control. You know, so they have a lot of crises about things that make sense, just like any of us you know, feeling out of control, feeling alone, feeling pushed to, you know, the brink of what you can handle. I often find that Autistics and crisis like I really understand where they're coming from. It is something like getting water on their outfit, or stepping in water or, you know, maybe they maybe just something happened that was like unexpected, you know, because it's not just that moment for them, it's everything they've had to endure throughout the day, you know, so, yeah.

Philip King-Lowe 

Last November, you gave a great example that I think is worth talking about, where you had two Autistic students who were in a crisis because they were conflicting with each other because of how one particular Autistic brain functions versus another. I believe one was about that one person tends to talk and think off really, really quickly and another one thinks very slowly. And this is an example to me, of a crisis that we might not see in a neurotypical situation. And I think it's worth talking about the crises we might experience when two Autistic individuals or two Neurodivergent individuals are trying to make their unique, unique ways of thinking and doing things work together, and what that kind of a crisis can be like. Can you add to that?

Zoë Korengold 

Yeah, you know, in our community, there's still a lot of rift and misunderstanding between all levels of Autism and how certain individuals will communicate versus others, that actually often leads to conflict or confusion, or even sometimes just really good questions to ask about how other people's brains work and how they have access to communication. Yeah, that's a pretty much everyday experience. And as an Autistic person and also professional, I can come at it with an understanding that certain communication patterns and ways of communicating is hard, and some of it is difficult for us because of sensory issues or because we need an explanation to understand a lot of Autistics just need to understand the why of how things work, and I can also understand through learning about those communication processes and learning about my students and how they communicate in different ways, to be able to kind of translate to my students, I get where you're coming from. This is what's going on and why, and this is what helps and what you can do if this is bothering you, or you're not ready for it, or whatever you know, and it's a unique privilege. Much to be able to do that, to advocate for both sides and understand both sides, right?

Philip King-Lowe 

Yeah, yeah. And it really just is important that there's an Autistic person involved here, because we understand each other's challenges, even though we may meet them differently, if you will. And so my understanding is that you are a crisis counselor. Is that how it goes? Who kind of works with these things all the time? Or how does your job work with these things?

Zoë Korengold 

Yeah, it's an interesting position. I'm not quite a counselor, but sometimes it feels like it's one of the hats that I wear as someone who's on the support response team as well as crisis team. Basically, I'm not quite a counselor, but it's almost like I'm like a support float. So when I'm called to a situation, or when I walk into a situation, like maybe I'm walking in the hallway, monitoring the hallways, and there's something going on, I'm called upon to kind of use my toolbox of strategies and also the rapport that I have with all of my students, to help them out when they are feeling anxious, out of control, having a hard time. I would consider our social workers more counselors, and I will, you know, I've always said if a student comes to me and needs to tell me something, I will never turn them away. But I'm also making that call to social work to make sure that they stay safe. Yeah, get, you know, professional help, because I don't have I'm just not a social worker. I'm not like an actual mental health professional, right? But sometimes it, you know, mine, it's heaters, you know, which is a cool part of the job, a lot of parts of it that kind of dip a little bit into different things. Yeah.

Philip King-Lowe 

Where do you see Autistics thriving and not just surviving regarding Autistics in crisis situations?

Zoë Korengold 

Every day, some of our students worst moments are where I see most of their strength. And also, like the other side of a crisis, you know, where they are coming down. They're reflective, yeah, they're thoughtful. They might be thinking about next steps of how to repair the damage that has been done, if any has been done, right? These are moments of such fantastic growth. And I've found that, you know, we might have a seventh grader come in with a lot of trauma, who has crisis moments often, or has mental health hardship often, and they will get support for a year and have a really tough first year, and then the next year, they come back with tools in their toolbox. They know that they're safe at school, they know that we're here for them and we're not going anywhere, right? And they become leaders, and I see them use their tools. I see them take a walk. I see them using deep breaths to calm down. I see them clearly communicating using words I don't like that, or I need a break, or I need space. This happens every year, especially with some of our kids that come in, you know, with a lot of hardships, they spend a lot of time with them. The next year, they are doing so much better. And you know, they had to go through those hardships. I feel like to be able to learn like I'm safe, there's things I can do to help me feel safe and like I can do this, and I'm a strong person that's worthy, and it's amazing and a privilege to see that.

Philip King-Lowe

After this next commercial break, Zoë Korengold and I will talk about Autistics with intersectional identities thriving through finding self and social acceptance. Zoë and I will talk about restorative processes that help Autistics thrive through moments of conflict that can lead to lifelong friendships.

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Segment 3

Philip King-Lowe 

Can you talk at all about some of the intersectional identities at the school and how you see them interacting and dealing with crises?

Zoë Korengold 

Yeah, everything is connected. So you know, if they have school trauma that's gonna immediately come in, you know, as questioning of authority, pushing back on authority. You know, seeing me as someone who's there to get them in trouble and to tell them get back to class, you know, instead of someone who's there to like, just ask what's going on, and how can I, like, help you, brought you through this hard moment so that you can be okay, yeah, you know, because that's what they've experienced, as well as our kids come In with a lot of trauma in general, and PTSD, because, you know, when you don't get the support you need for a long time, and you get, you know, a lot of our kids like this is maybe like, you know, they've gone to multiple schools, They've tried multiple things. And this is like, Alright, we're going to try this and see if Lions Gate works, and we try our best to make it work, you know, and really see them for who they are and help them become the person they can be. But everything is connected, and, you know, our identity is also come into play. You know, we have students of color. We have, of course, LGBT+ students, because a lot of Autistics are on the LGBT kind of spectrum itself as well. And there's a lot of questioning and inquiry about those parts of identity and those parts of society, and that's where it's also we're in a privileged spot as staff to have those hard conversations and tell our kids like, "Hey, do you know what that means when you just said that?" Because it's harmful, and this is what it means. And a lot of our kids don't necessarily know that. You know they need that why. Maybe other kids don't ask about or it's not given a platform. You know, I always welcome those conversations and, yeah, everything's connected.

Philip King-Lowe 

Yeah, what have some of those been like over this past year, when we've seen a lot of our intersectional communities be targeted by political and social stresses during this past year, especially when it comes to our students of color or our Autistics who are LGBTQ, and the pushback about Autism and that sort of thing. What kinds of crises have you seen, and how has have you and the folks at Lions Gate been meeting those challenges? I'm interested to know that.

Zoë Korengold 

I will say that despite everything that's going on, it hasn't changed much. You know, every year we've had discussions about race. Every year we've had discussions about welcoming everyone in our classroom regardless of what they're carrying, what they look like, their sexuality, their identity. Every year we have kids that are exploring these ideas through joking and through humor, and it's up to us as staff to help them explore those topics. But also know, you know your words have power, and your words can affect people who. And to guide them through, how to have that, how to keep that humor as a good skill to use for regulation through what's going on in the world, yes, but also like kind of not harm other people with it. And the way that we respond is we have a lot of restorative processes. So if something happens. We let the students separate and cool off when they are regulated, we have a discussion, and often that's collaborative about, like, what happened, how do you think the other person feels? What should what should be done about this, you know, to repair the damage. And very often we have those kids come together in a restorative chat to talk about what happened, and to talk about, how do we go on from here? You know, are we? Is it something where someone apologizes and we can move on? Is it do we need a no contact contract where you guys just kind of ignore each other and like kind of live in coexistence. You know? We immediately, when we see a conflict like this, we take a restorative approach to making sure that everyone is safe and heard and that damage is repaired.

Philip King-Lowe 

Yeah, yeah. Sometimes Autistics, when we're in a crisis, say, with another Autistic person, what we really do need to do is back off and spend some time, however much time that may take, kind of working through what brought it there and, you know, sort of understanding, you know, what's happening with the other person, and also what's happening with you, and explaining whatever's happened here. It's not your fault. You didn't necessarily do anything wrong. It's just how one person works versus another, and that's okay. And you know, it just means that we have to take our step back and take a look at how we're approaching it versus the other person's approaching it. And sometimes you can suddenly discover something about yourself that you didn't necessarily know yet, and then use that to hopefully find a way back so that we can talk to each other a little more easily, that sort of thing. And then the other thing that I think we need to say very openly is that it's okay if two, if two Neurodivergent people just don't mix well with each other, that's not a crime. That's not as if you've done the world's most horrible thing. It's just that sometimes there's two personalities that just don't work together well, and if that's what it comes to, that's okay. You know, I think for a lot of us, Autistics, those crises come from that rejection dysphoria that assumes we've already been rejected and now we're trying to find a relationship with another who we believe will understand us. But it doesn't necessarily mean, you know, it mixes well together and works.

Zoë Korengold 

Yeah, that's okay, because, like, our people too, yeah, I don't know, sometimes we don't mix no something that I've also had to learn too is it's okay if you're not fully jiving with somebody, and it's hard because it's like, I really, really want to. I feel like, I want to, like all of the people that I work with, and all of the Autistic and Neurodivergent people that I come across, but it's like, you know, I can hold respect for everyone, right, and I can still hold love For them, right, even not jiving, you know? So, yeah lol.

Philip King-Lowe 

And sometimes that, that seeking the goodwill of each other, sometimes by not mixing together, we're actually preserving, you know, keeping the peace, if you will. And sometimes that that's more of more of an example than trying to get, get them to mesh together when they're not going to mesh, if you will.

Zoë Korengold 

Yeah. And like, that reminds me, too, of like, when we have our no contact contracts, you know, we lay out like you're not supposed to look at each other, talk to each other, talk about each other. But many times I'll have a student, you know, come up to me and say, like, hey, the student that I was having a conflict with and this contract with, we had a good discussion today and like, or maybe they had a positive interaction, and it's like, we also allow for that, you know, and a lot of it takes time, feel like time heals a lot. And I've seen students where they used to have, you know, a complete conflict, and it was really heated to becoming best friends in a couple years. You know, I've, I've seen that many times. So, yeah.

Philip King-Lowe 

Where can we help Autistic individuals to find resources about thriving through crises? Do you have any recommendations? Are there any authors, specialists, or web links, or, you know, I know, anything you particularly have, and take your time to think about it.

Zoë Korengold 

Well, I started at the Autism Society Minnesota, and that's basically where I've learned everything that I know and branched off to different environments and situations because of the Autism Society of Minnesota. It's hard, because I learned a lot of that, like in the field. So, like, I don't necessarily have a book you can crack open. They exist, you know. But everything I learned was through talking to people who were kind and wise and experienced those situations on hand numerous times. That all started at the Autism Society of Minnesota, and I can't recommend them enough for mental health resources, community resources. They're really I feel like they're the heart of Autistic support in Minnesota.

Philip King-Lowe 

I couldn't agree more. They're my they're my best friends. Yeah, by far. So sometimes the resource that you need is a resource that's going to let you know that your Neurodivergence can be accepted and acceptable, and no one's passing a judgment on saying, Well, you've got this all wrong actually, just you might need some help to better understand what's going on, but you are capable of meeting your crises and thriving through it. You know, I think a lot of us Autistics, we often feel the weight of a crisis as if there is nothing we can do about it or with it. I think that can play a role in it. But when we find Autistics who encourage us and other Autistics and professionals who work with us through those things, it can really make a difference. And you know, one of the benefits of Today's Autistic Moment is that we get to hear from other Autistics, you know, giving us some of those tools together and those resources together. And that's part of why I have this program, and I talk with other amazing Autistics like yourself, and that's how we, you know, draw some strength from each other. I know that there are other places where a resource, like the Autism Society of Minnesota, does not exist. So this one is made so that people from other parts of the country or parts of the world that they need a little something that they can maybe connect, and that's why I'm here, you know. And as Mati, my guest on my first show this year, we said, you know, part of Autistics thriving is by finding some companionship, if you will, as well as some community among other Autistics, so that we can have somebody to say, I've been through this crisis myself, and this is how I worked at it, or I'm going through that crisis right now. You know, I've got someone who I just can't seem to communicate with what do I do? Or, you know, does anybody else have this experience? And some, most likely someone, will be like, Yes, as a matter of fact, I have, you know, and just hearing that from another Autistic person, hey, I know, I know what you're going through. You know that that can really, really lift the burden, if you will, from those kinds of things, you know it's so important to have that support that we need. And I'm sure that for you working in an environment like Lions Gate, where people there know what you live with, and you get to sort of deal with others who have go through that. I'm interested to know before we close this conversation, in the work that you do have you found that many of the crisis situations that you may experience with your students. How might that have helped you in your crisis situations to see things maybe you didn't see before?

Zoë Korengold 

It's helped in a multitude of ways, in so many ways, yeah, it's healing, and it continues to be healing.

Philip King-Lowe 

Yeah, And it reinforces for you, doesn't it?

Zoë Korengold 

Yeah. It definitely does it, it's there's nothing like being in a community of Neurodivergent people, especially young people, and also, maybe not all Neurodivergent staff, but that like, love them wholeheartedly, right themselves to them, because, like, they care about them, and they're there, and that's part of their purpose. It's incredibly healing. Yeah, I don't know it's, it's a, it's a more than a blessing. There isn't a word for it, you know.

Philip King-Lowe 

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Yeah, I understand. Zoë Korengold, thank you so much for taking this time to talk with us on Today's Autistic Moment. I think we've given some great examples and some encouragement. And for all you Autistics out there who are seeking to thrive, not just survive, take some time to continue to learn about your own brand, make and model of Autism, as I always say, and then become the expert about how you communicate about it and tell your stories about what being Autistic means for you, because those things are indeed powerful, and they do mean something to you and to others around you. Zoë thank you so much for this time and for the information you shared.

Zoë Korengold 

Yeah, thanks for having me. This is great.

Philip King-Lowe

Thank you.

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As my audience knows, I live near the Twin Cities in Minnesota. The recent flooding of ICE activities in the Twin Cities Metro are unsettling for all of us who live here. Minneapolis and St. Paul are wonderful cities to live in because of the rich diversity of the people who make up the neighborhoods. What is taking place here is fueled by racism, but to say that those who live in all white neighborhoods are safe is a false sense of security. When the safety of any group of people is in danger, no one is really safe from injustice. 

Just last week, an Autistic woman of color was picked up by ICE, while they were on their way to a doctor’s appointment. While the agents had picked her up with her feet off the ground, the girl could clearly be heard saying “I am Autistic and have a brain injury.” The agents ignored her pleas for her freedom.  Please go to the link on this transcript to read AuSM’s Statement on Immigration and Customs Enforcement Activity in Minnesota for the full story. What troubled me even more about what happened were some comments made that suggested that the girl was willfully breaking the law and therefore ICE was justified to take her into custody. Comments like that are outrageous and I will not tolerate them.

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